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	<title>Comments for Dave Kelly | @dhkelly</title>
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		<title>Comment on Bath is a talented place! by JimJ</title>
		<link>http://www.dave-kelly.co.uk/business-psychology/bath-is-a-talented-place/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>JimJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 11:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bath IS great - and not just for talent (we also have a big bath)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bath IS great &#8211; and not just for talent (we also have a big bath)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Client: &#8220;We want a logo!&#8221; by Matthew Darcy</title>
		<link>http://www.dave-kelly.co.uk/business-psychology/client-we-want-a-logo/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Darcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 15:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as a small business owner and IT consultancy, I am guilty of breaking the golden rule, I&#039;ve taken my website down while I sit back and re-evaluate what I want to convey. When I initially had my business logo designed I had the designers work with me to put thought behind it in reference to the company name/colours/business type, and I like what I got and I put enough budget behind it to get what I want done well (other options, mockup, changes, etc). The issue I have now is that the cost of utilising that logo into the brand in web terms is out of control and appears to be a cash cow for web businesses in the current climate. I&#039;m considering where to put my money to get my web presence re-created in line with my technical needs as well as off line presence (cards/literature/etc) and the prices I am being quoted is fantasy, more so as the scam appears to be creating themes for well know open source CMS systems and trying to sell it as a &quot;package&quot; to me. These people forget I work in IT and I&#039;m well aware of what is being done, the area my business lacks is the graphical part of the web business or design part of the branding part - that&#039;s not what I do, but design agencies are too busy trying to con me with what they are doing to actually delivery what I want and make the money.

In short - I invested money in the logo and branding (and yes over the years I now need a tweak or two) but the agencies I&#039;ve had contact with have not gained my trust, so I&#039;m left in limbo unable to spend money and re-create my online presence.

I can see how others &quot;don&#039;t care&quot; or &quot;just want it simple&quot; due to the nonsense a lot of design/web agencies are pushing and the over selling of product/services that are just fabricated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as a small business owner and IT consultancy, I am guilty of breaking the golden rule, I&#8217;ve taken my website down while I sit back and re-evaluate what I want to convey. When I initially had my business logo designed I had the designers work with me to put thought behind it in reference to the company name/colours/business type, and I like what I got and I put enough budget behind it to get what I want done well (other options, mockup, changes, etc). The issue I have now is that the cost of utilising that logo into the brand in web terms is out of control and appears to be a cash cow for web businesses in the current climate. I&#8217;m considering where to put my money to get my web presence re-created in line with my technical needs as well as off line presence (cards/literature/etc) and the prices I am being quoted is fantasy, more so as the scam appears to be creating themes for well know open source CMS systems and trying to sell it as a &#8220;package&#8221; to me. These people forget I work in IT and I&#8217;m well aware of what is being done, the area my business lacks is the graphical part of the web business or design part of the branding part &#8211; that&#8217;s not what I do, but design agencies are too busy trying to con me with what they are doing to actually delivery what I want and make the money.</p>
<p>In short &#8211; I invested money in the logo and branding (and yes over the years I now need a tweak or two) but the agencies I&#8217;ve had contact with have not gained my trust, so I&#8217;m left in limbo unable to spend money and re-create my online presence.</p>
<p>I can see how others &#8220;don&#8217;t care&#8221; or &#8220;just want it simple&#8221; due to the nonsense a lot of design/web agencies are pushing and the over selling of product/services that are just fabricated.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Client: &#8220;We want a logo!&#8221; by Neil Webb</title>
		<link>http://www.dave-kelly.co.uk/business-psychology/client-we-want-a-logo/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, this is really common.

The best way I&#039;ve found to convey the value of branding is to put it in the context of potential revenue (both lost and gained )- the client probably doesn&#039;t understand the branding process but they do understand money, so much so that they tend to focus on the outgoing cost of the branding at first, and nothing else.

Show the client two adverts for a fictional product/company, identical in every way except for the branding. Ensure that one advert is professionally branded and the other looks like it&#039;s been done on the cheap. Ask them which product/company they would instinctively choose to spend their money on/with, given that everything else is equal. Encourage them to take the examples away with them, show it to their family &amp; friends and ask them the same question, but before they leave really drive it home that for each person who chooses the ‘branded’ company, it’s a lost sale for the ‘non-branded’ company. Which company do they want to be?

I think that for many customers branding is initially seen as little more than a few colour changes, a bit of text and maybe a graphic, but when they start to see it in terms of lost/gained revenue then they stop concentrating on the outgoing cost and start calculating the potential ROI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, this is really common.</p>
<p>The best way I&#8217;ve found to convey the value of branding is to put it in the context of potential revenue (both lost and gained )- the client probably doesn&#8217;t understand the branding process but they do understand money, so much so that they tend to focus on the outgoing cost of the branding at first, and nothing else.</p>
<p>Show the client two adverts for a fictional product/company, identical in every way except for the branding. Ensure that one advert is professionally branded and the other looks like it&#8217;s been done on the cheap. Ask them which product/company they would instinctively choose to spend their money on/with, given that everything else is equal. Encourage them to take the examples away with them, show it to their family &amp; friends and ask them the same question, but before they leave really drive it home that for each person who chooses the ‘branded’ company, it’s a lost sale for the ‘non-branded’ company. Which company do they want to be?</p>
<p>I think that for many customers branding is initially seen as little more than a few colour changes, a bit of text and maybe a graphic, but when they start to see it in terms of lost/gained revenue then they stop concentrating on the outgoing cost and start calculating the potential ROI.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bath is a talented place! by Luke Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.dave-kelly.co.uk/business-psychology/bath-is-a-talented-place/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an awesome way to put it!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Bath is a talented place! by Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.dave-kelly.co.uk/business-psychology/bath-is-a-talented-place/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 10:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If nobody wants to pinch your staff, then you&#039;re not hiring the right people. We&#039;re proud Dan was 1st pick for Headscape :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If nobody wants to pinch your staff, then you&#8217;re not hiring the right people. We&#8217;re proud Dan was 1st pick for Headscape <img src='http://www.dave-kelly.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Bath is a talented place! by Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.dave-kelly.co.uk/business-psychology/bath-is-a-talented-place/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 10:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Headscape is quite a career path! Shame you are losing someone but good luck to them and well done for landing that job. Recruiting eh? Bath would be one hell of a daily commute for me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Headscape is quite a career path! Shame you are losing someone but good luck to them and well done for landing that job. Recruiting eh? Bath would be one hell of a daily commute for me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bath is a talented place! by Phil O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://www.dave-kelly.co.uk/business-psychology/bath-is-a-talented-place/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 10:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good luck with the recruitment.  I&#039;ve only been in Bath a few months - but am also amazed at the pool of talent in the area.  Great place to be - and thanks for hosting the Bath Tweetup - sounds fun.  P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good luck with the recruitment.  I&#8217;ve only been in Bath a few months &#8211; but am also amazed at the pool of talent in the area.  Great place to be &#8211; and thanks for hosting the Bath Tweetup &#8211; sounds fun.  P</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mmmm iPad2. But to 3G or not to 3G?&#8230;. by Phil O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://www.dave-kelly.co.uk/web-tech/mmmm-ipad2-but-to-3g-or-not-to-3g/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 09:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Dave.  I have done the deed - and gone with the WiFi only.  It&#039;s transformed my &quot;device&quot; usage already (not having to share the old iPad with the rest of the household).  Particularly liking the Flipboard application - it&#039;s the best Twitter client around.  Speak soon - and thanks for the advice.  P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Dave.  I have done the deed &#8211; and gone with the WiFi only.  It&#8217;s transformed my &#8220;device&#8221; usage already (not having to share the old iPad with the rest of the household).  Particularly liking the Flipboard application &#8211; it&#8217;s the best Twitter client around.  Speak soon &#8211; and thanks for the advice.  P</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mmmm iPad2. But to 3G or not to 3G?&#8230;. by Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.dave-kelly.co.uk/web-tech/mmmm-ipad2-but-to-3g-or-not-to-3g/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 10:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Phil,

I find 3G tethering is working very well - I only have 1 bill for data, and am yet to find a situation where I have my iPad but not my iPhone in my pocket. 

I&#039;ve certainly not found it inconvenient :-) and If I was buying again, would do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Phil,</p>
<p>I find 3G tethering is working very well &#8211; I only have 1 bill for data, and am yet to find a situation where I have my iPad but not my iPhone in my pocket. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve certainly not found it inconvenient <img src='http://www.dave-kelly.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  and If I was buying again, would do the same.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mmmm iPad2. But to 3G or not to 3G?&#8230;. by Phil O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://www.dave-kelly.co.uk/web-tech/mmmm-ipad2-but-to-3g-or-not-to-3g/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 10:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dave.  How are you finding the iPad without 3G?  I noticed last time we met you were tethering.  I&#039;m just going to buy one - and undecided whether to have the convenience of 3G on-board - or just use the iPhone tether.  Your thoughts/opinion would be welcome.  Cheers.  P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave.  How are you finding the iPad without 3G?  I noticed last time we met you were tethering.  I&#8217;m just going to buy one &#8211; and undecided whether to have the convenience of 3G on-board &#8211; or just use the iPhone tether.  Your thoughts/opinion would be welcome.  Cheers.  P</p>
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